FairvoteWRC meeting 2017-09-27 - Revision history

BobJonkman: Fixed spacing for Resources (fixes multiple
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2017-10-07T19:21:51Z

Fixed spacing for Resources (fixes multiple <dl>)

BobJonkman: /* Pro-PR MPs-- at risk? */ Fix link for Marwan's letter

2017-10-07T19:06:34Z

Pro-PR MPs-- at risk?: Fix link for Marwan's letter

BobJonkman: /* Where are people from? */ Add table summary

2017-10-07T18:58:36Z

Where are people from?: Add table summary

BobJonkman: /* Advice for Fair Vote */ linkified Gallagher Index to Wikipedia

2017-09-28T17:53:04Z

Advice for Fair Vote: linkified Gallagher Index to Wikipedia

BobJonkman: Self-aggrandizement

2017-09-28T07:47:58Z

Self-aggrandizement

BobJonkman: /* Introductions */

2017-09-28T07:19:44Z

Introductions

BobJonkman: Tidy

2017-09-28T07:16:06Z

Tidy

BobJonkman: Advice

2017-09-28T07:07:51Z

Advice

BobJonkman: Well liked

2017-09-28T06:33:02Z

Well liked

BobJonkman: /* Is this a "Safe Riding"? */

2017-09-28T06:26:14Z

Is this a "Safe Riding"?

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 ; Host Guide
 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B5wRCtOTJB3wwE3DOcA65-S4vC-btBycaRuImivg3lU/edit?usp=sharing
 ; Fair Vote Canada Strategic Plan
 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lIyZ1XIGqv-ykXqCJWW-eBMyyDWuCScbzbj6AE1wmJs/edit?usp=sharing
 ; Survey Results
 : https://secure.fairvote.ca/sites/secure.fairvote.ca/files/civicrm/persist/contribute/images/2017_funding%20next%20leg_2019plan_donatepage.png?noload
 ; Meeting Announcement
 : http://listserv.thinkers.org/pipermail/fvc-wat-announce_listserv.thinkers.org/2017-September/000996.html
 ; Meeting Notes
 : https://sobac.com/wiki/FairvoteWRC_meeting_2017-09-27

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 * Wants to be an MP, stay an MP.
 ** Will switch his opinion on anything as necessary to stay elected.
-* [http://fairvote.ca/jonathan_cassels_post Marwan's letter] was not personally written.
+* [http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/there-is-a-responsible-path-forward-electoral-reform/ Marwan's letter] was not personally written.
 ** He has very good staff to do that for him, fooled some people into thinking it was genuine.
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 * MPs need to own what they say
 * Use #hashtags on social media to coordinate flash mobs to engage in civil disobedience.
 ==== Is this a "Safe Riding"? ====

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 ==== Where are people from? ====
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+{| class="wikitable" summary="Attendance"
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 ** Everyone has a pet system.
 ** FVC needs to say "We'll support a system with these criteria: 1) 2) 3)"
-*** eg. low Gallagher Index; regional representation
+*** eg. low [[Wikipedia:Gallagher Index]]; regional representation
 ** But FVC should stop short of endorsing a specific system

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	=== Meeting Notes ===		=== Meeting Notes ===
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		+	Meeting notes taken by Bob Jonkman.

	==== Introductions ====		==== Introductions ====

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 ** Who were elected with the current system, and so are unlikely to want it changed.
 * Had given up on voting, but didn't understand the problem that made the popular vote not equal to the number of seats.
-* Can't call ourselves a democracy.s to Bardish Chagger)
+* Can't call ourselves a democracy.
-* Promise broken
+* Promise broken.
 * Every election things get worse.
 * Working in politics, now understand the wasted vote and wasted effort.
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 * Unfair system (First Past The Post)
 ** Canada is only one of three FPTP countries.
-* Want local representation
+* Want local representation.
 * It's a money game.
 ** More $$ means more chance to win the election.

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 ==== Where are people from? ====
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 * Show the voters they didn't get what they want.
-===== Advice for Fair Vote ======
+===== Advice for Fair Vote =====
 * Fair Vote should focus on Waterloo

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		+	==== Advice for the campaigns of other candidates ====
		+	* Need more money.
		+	* Be stronger in your message.
		+	** Don't be a centrist!
		+	* Need more volunteers
		+	* Start knocking on doors.
		+	** Liberal MPs and candidates are already knocking on doors.
		+	* Operate on principle!
		+	** (candidates should stick to their principles, not sway to popular opinion)
		+	* Can the NDP and Green Party cooperate?
		+	** "Cooperate For Canada" was a movement to get two pro-PR parties to run only one candidate to avoid splitting the vote.
		+	** But neither NDP nor Green Party were too keen on resigning their candidate.
		+	* Hire Rick Mercer to promote cooperation.
		+	** Crowdfund $5 to hear him speak.
		+	* Raise more money! (for opposition candidates)
		+	* Want a candidate who wins without money, who wins on merit.
		+	* Martin Luther King quote "Peace is not just a goal, but the means to a goal".
		+	** Apply the same to cooperation.
		+	* Advice to Fair Voters: Learn from Bernie Sanders.
		+	* Opposition candidates should start their campaign sooner.
		+	* Use pyramid techniques: A friend calls two friends, and so on.
		+	** This is [[Wikipedia:Marshall Ganz]] -- the Snowflake model.
		+	* The Waterloo NDP campaign: The "star" candidate wasn't stellar.
		+	* Parties need to prop up their candidates. Needs $$$
		+	* Debates are engineered (don't provide real info, but soundbites; favour incumbents)
		+	* Bardish Chagger was groomed for the position
		+	** Knew how to schmooze
		+	* Candidates need to learn to schmooze
		+	* Green Party candidates need a higher profile since they don't run attack ads
		+	** "Feisty isn't the same as attacking."
		+	* Have a strong candidate who is good at public speaking.
		+	** But that didn't matter for Liberal candidates.
		+	* Prediction: Incumbents (Liberals) will have two key issues
		+	** Maybe opposition candidates need to rally around these issues.
		+	** NAFTA? Not sexy, maybe something else will come up before 2019.
		+	* Candidate's success is dependent on the charisma of the leader.
		+	* The "soft coalition" of Indigenous votes, youth, and Green + NDP who voted strategically for Liberals
		+	** worked for Liberals, but no more.
		+	* Show the voters they didn't get what they want.

		+	===== Advice for Fair Vote ======

		+	* Fair Vote should focus on Waterloo
		+	** Split between NDP and PR supporters
		+	** Best chance to get a Pro-PR candidate

		+	OR

		+	* Fair Vote should focus on Kitchener South--Hespeler
		+	** Marwan Tabbara is a weak candidate
		+	** Lorne Bruce (NDP) is a strong candidate

		+	OR

		+	* General discussion on Proporational Representation is too general.
		+	** Need a specific strategy (voting system), eg. MMPPR (Mixed Member Preferential Proportional Representation), or STV (Single Transferable Vote).
		+	** Fair Vote Canada gets behind (endorses) '''one''' (or two) voting system(s).
		+	* PR makes intuitive sense, but specific systems can't be proven to work in Canada.
		+	** People poke holes in any proposed system.
		+	* Use a local model.
		+	** Use Waterloo Region examples to illustrate PR to Waterloo Region voters.
		+	** For people who want details, give them international examples.
		+	* Fair Vote Canada should focus on the Ontario 2018 Provincial Election as well.
		+	** PR is more likely to be achieved provincially (following BC's success).
		+	** Ontario Provincial election is an excuse to talk about PR.
		+
		+	* Have people moved past favouring a specific system?
		+	** Everyone has a pet system.
		+	** FVC needs to say "We'll support a system with these criteria: 1) 2) 3)"
		+	*** eg. low Gallagher Index; regional representation
		+	** But FVC should stop short of endorsing a specific system
		+
		+	* FVC should use the phrase "Election Reform", not "Electoral Reform"
		+	** Use the words that people already know.


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	** But had true majority in previous elections.		** But had true majority in previous elections.
	* Liberal candidate Tim Louis won't promote PR if elected.		* Liberal candidate Tim Louis won't promote PR if elected.
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		+	==== How well-liked is your MP? ====
		+	* Afraid that Raj Saini ''is'' well-liked.
		+	* No-one knows who Marwan Tabbara is.
		+	* Bardish Chagger is very popular.
		+	* Bryan May is neutral.
		+	* Harold Albrecht is popular.
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		+	* NAFTA issue takes precedence
		+	** Other issues are more important to voters
		+	*** But those other issues depend on PR to get done
		+
		+
		+	* Fair Vote should raise money and raise profile of the Proporational Representation issue.
		+	* Get people together
		+	** Barbeques, social media
		+	* Work with University groups
		+	* Spend money on radio ads
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 ==== Is this a "Safe Riding"? ====
 ; Kitchener Centre (Raj Saini, Liberal)
-* Not Kitchener Centre.
+* Kitchener Centre is not a safe riding for Raj Saini.
 ** But the chance of electing an NDP or Green MP? Can't happen.