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== Arbitrary Comments ==
 
== Arbitrary Comments ==
  
* What can we do with Teksavvy
+
* What can we do with Teksavvy?
 
* Vonage vs ITSP? (Unlimitel, VoIP.ms) vs ISP (Teksavvy, Rogers) vs MagicJack
 
* Vonage vs ITSP? (Unlimitel, VoIP.ms) vs ISP (Teksavvy, Rogers) vs MagicJack
 
* MagicJack is an ATA? You need internet
 
* MagicJack is an ATA? You need internet
* You can get a USB dongle as well (don't work under Linux)
+
** You can get a USB dongle as well (don't work under Linux)
* It is reliable enough for faxing
+
** It is reliable enough for faxing
* $10 extra per year for a Canadian number
+
** $10 extra per year for a Canadian number
* $50/year + tax ($70 for the device)
+
** $50/year + tax ($70 for the device)
* Berleine spends $32/year for a US number and service
+
** Berleine spends $32/year for a US number and service
* Unlimited minutes
+
** Unlimited minutes
* Call quality can suffer if the internet is busy
+
** Call quality can suffer if the internet is busy
 +
 
 
* Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space
 
* Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space
 +
 
* VoiP.ms and Unlimitel
 
* VoiP.ms and Unlimitel
* $1/month for the DID, $1.50 for Emergency 911
+
** $1/month for the DID, $1.50 for Emergency 911
* Unlimited minutes
+
** Unlimited minutes
 +
 
 
* Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space
 
* Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space
 +
 
* VoIP.ms: $1 + $1.50 for Emergency 911 + 1c/minute per calls
 
* VoIP.ms: $1 + $1.50 for Emergency 911 + 1c/minute per calls
* You can buy a home package for $3.50 per month
+
** You can buy a home package for $3.50 per month
* You can have subaccounts
+
** You can have subaccounts
* You can have many calls running simultaneously
+
** You can have many calls running simultaneously
 +
 
 
* Fongo
 
* Fongo
* Free phone number, free calls, free voicemail, pay to send texts
+
** Free phone number, free calls, free voicemail, pay to send texts
* Freephoneline.ca is the same but for desktops
+
** Freephoneline.ca is the same but for desktops
* How far can you get on a wifi phone?
+
** How far can you get on a wifi phone?
* Sometimes quality is an issue
+
** Sometimes quality is an issue
 +
 
 
* SIP phones
 
* SIP phones
 +
 
* TWC
 
* TWC
* One PSTN line + voip lines + Norstar systems
+
** One PSTN line + voip lines + Norstar systems
* Use an ATA to convert VoIP.ms to analogue
+
** Use an ATA to convert VoIP.ms to analogue
* This does not work perfectly all the time (eg long tones)
+
** This does not work perfectly all the time (eg long tones)
 +
 
 
* Brendan has tried to switch to all VoIP
 
* Brendan has tried to switch to all VoIP
* How do you trunk calls between buildings that use different systems?
+
** How do you trunk calls between buildings that use different systems?
* Idea: just map lines to phones so you can use Norstar handsets
+
** Idea: just map lines to phones so you can use Norstar handsets
 
* How can you receive calls in multiple locations?
 
* How can you receive calls in multiple locations?
** Voip.ms makes this easy
+
*** Voip.ms makes this easy
** You can use follow-me settings in Asterisk
+
*** You can use follow-me settings in Asterisk
 +
 
 
* Faxing and virtual faxing
 
* Faxing and virtual faxing
* Doesn't work so well on VoIP
+
** Doesn't work so well on VoIP
* VoIP wants to break up packets, but faxes want a continuous
+
** VoIP wants to break up packets, but faxes want a continuous
 +
 
 
* Cheapest SIP phone: Grandstream GXP1400 (similar: GXP1405)
 
* Cheapest SIP phone: Grandstream GXP1400 (similar: GXP1405)
 +
 
* Why VoIP?
 
* Why VoIP?
* Cost: $40 for a PSTN line. VoIP can be cheaper
+
** Cost: $40 for a PSTN line. VoIP can be cheaper
* Can use the same phone number for many calls
+
** Can use the same phone number for many calls
* We trust everything that goes over the internet
+
** We trust everything that goes over the internet
* Very configurable for free
+
** Very configurable for free
 +
 
 
* Why not VoIP?
 
* Why not VoIP?
* Depends on power to work. Don't have blackouts!
+
** Depends on power to work. Don't have blackouts!
* Can't run faxing (reliably), DSL modems
+
** Can't run faxing (reliably), DSL modems
* Can't use analog modems
+
** Can't use analog modems
* Can be reliability problems
+
** Can be reliability problems
* Security concerns
+
** Security concerns
* Should have quality of service to ensure good performance
+
** Should have quality of service to ensure good performance
* Need upload bandwidth (16k-64kbps up per call depending on codec)
+
** Need upload bandwidth (16k-64kbps up per call depending on codec)
* Rollovers can be an issue between POTS and VoIP, depending on provider
+
** Rollovers can be an issue between POTS and VoIP, depending on provider
* Costs more in terms of IT time
+
** Costs more in terms of IT time
 +
 
 
* You can do voip via internet addresses
 
* You can do voip via internet addresses
 +
 
* Older ADSL lines provide 700kbps up
 
* Older ADSL lines provide 700kbps up
 +
 
* Bell VDSL is broken? Fibernetics does it right?
 
* Bell VDSL is broken? Fibernetics does it right?
 +
 
* Execulink is a provider that does PSTN rollovers right
 
* Execulink is a provider that does PSTN rollovers right
 
* Can you do anything more with commercial VoIP than with regular Bell?
 
* Can you do anything more with commercial VoIP than with regular Bell?
* Maybe. It depends on what the provider provides.
+
** Maybe. It depends on what the provider provides.
 +
 
 
* Hiding callerID : easy
 
* Hiding callerID : easy
 +
 
* Is this obsolete because of cellphones?
 
* Is this obsolete because of cellphones?
* The numbers are different
+
** The numbers are different
* Not as configurable
+
** Not as configurable
* But your cellphone works in a blackout (modulo batteries)
+
** But your cellphone works in a blackout (modulo batteries)
 +
 
 
* You can't run your own cellphone service (in Canada)
 
* You can't run your own cellphone service (in Canada)
* Compare to radio, community cable
+
** Compare to radio, community cable
 +
 
 
* SIP clients for cellphones?
 
* SIP clients for cellphones?
* SIPSimple?
+
** SIPSimple?
* You can register to a local asterisk account
+
** You can register to a local asterisk account
* Ring groups on VoIP.ms
+
** Ring groups on VoIP.ms
* How can you make phones ring in certain locations only?
+
** How can you make phones ring in certain locations only?
** Put a sip client on their phones
+
*** Put a sip client on their phones
** Put Asterisk
+
*** Put Asterisk
 +
 
 
* What Asterisk systems can be configured by Thursday?
 
* What Asterisk systems can be configured by Thursday?
* PBX in a Flash
+
** PBX in a Flash
* Elastix
+
** Elastix
* Cheap analog phones?
+
 
*  
+
* Cheap analog phones?*  
  
 
== Acronym Fun ==
 
== Acronym Fun ==

Revision as of 22:32, 17 August 2015

All About VoIP

Discussion Questions

  • What are you using?
  • What do you like about VoIP? What do you not like?
  • What providers do you use?
  • What works better with PSTN? With VoIP?
  • What are the pros and cons?

Arbitrary Comments

  • What can we do with Teksavvy?
  • Vonage vs ITSP? (Unlimitel, VoIP.ms) vs ISP (Teksavvy, Rogers) vs MagicJack
  • MagicJack is an ATA? You need internet
    • You can get a USB dongle as well (don't work under Linux)
    • It is reliable enough for faxing
    • $10 extra per year for a Canadian number
    • $50/year + tax ($70 for the device)
    • Berleine spends $32/year for a US number and service
    • Unlimited minutes
    • Call quality can suffer if the internet is busy
  • Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space
  • VoiP.ms and Unlimitel
    • $1/month for the DID, $1.50 for Emergency 911
    • Unlimited minutes
  • Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space
  • VoIP.ms: $1 + $1.50 for Emergency 911 + 1c/minute per calls
    • You can buy a home package for $3.50 per month
    • You can have subaccounts
    • You can have many calls running simultaneously
  • Fongo
    • Free phone number, free calls, free voicemail, pay to send texts
    • Freephoneline.ca is the same but for desktops
    • How far can you get on a wifi phone?
    • Sometimes quality is an issue
  • SIP phones
  • TWC
    • One PSTN line + voip lines + Norstar systems
    • Use an ATA to convert VoIP.ms to analogue
    • This does not work perfectly all the time (eg long tones)
  • Brendan has tried to switch to all VoIP
    • How do you trunk calls between buildings that use different systems?
    • Idea: just map lines to phones so you can use Norstar handsets
  • How can you receive calls in multiple locations?
      • Voip.ms makes this easy
      • You can use follow-me settings in Asterisk
  • Faxing and virtual faxing
    • Doesn't work so well on VoIP
    • VoIP wants to break up packets, but faxes want a continuous
  • Cheapest SIP phone: Grandstream GXP1400 (similar: GXP1405)
  • Why VoIP?
    • Cost: $40 for a PSTN line. VoIP can be cheaper
    • Can use the same phone number for many calls
    • We trust everything that goes over the internet
    • Very configurable for free
  • Why not VoIP?
    • Depends on power to work. Don't have blackouts!
    • Can't run faxing (reliably), DSL modems
    • Can't use analog modems
    • Can be reliability problems
    • Security concerns
    • Should have quality of service to ensure good performance
    • Need upload bandwidth (16k-64kbps up per call depending on codec)
    • Rollovers can be an issue between POTS and VoIP, depending on provider
    • Costs more in terms of IT time
  • You can do voip via internet addresses
  • Older ADSL lines provide 700kbps up
  • Bell VDSL is broken? Fibernetics does it right?
  • Execulink is a provider that does PSTN rollovers right
  • Can you do anything more with commercial VoIP than with regular Bell?
    • Maybe. It depends on what the provider provides.
  • Hiding callerID : easy
  • Is this obsolete because of cellphones?
    • The numbers are different
    • Not as configurable
    • But your cellphone works in a blackout (modulo batteries)
  • You can't run your own cellphone service (in Canada)
    • Compare to radio, community cable
  • SIP clients for cellphones?
    • SIPSimple?
    • You can register to a local asterisk account
    • Ring groups on VoIP.ms
    • How can you make phones ring in certain locations only?
      • Put a sip client on their phones
      • Put Asterisk
  • What Asterisk systems can be configured by Thursday?
    • PBX in a Flash
    • Elastix
  • Cheap analog phones?*

Acronym Fun

  • ATA : Turns VoIP into PSTN lines.
  • VoIP : Voice over internet. The trendy thing.
  • PSTN/POTS : "Real" phone line
  • SIP : VoIP protocol. There are others (eg IAX)
  • FXO : Port that is on the phone. In asterisk, you use a port of this type when you want to integrate a PSTN line.
  • FXS : Provides a dialtone. This can be from the wall, or the ports on an ATA
  • DID : A phone number
  • VoIP registration: What phone will ring when you make a call to the number?
  • Hunt groups: Choose which order phones will ring
  • QoS: Quality of service: prefer sending packets to phones rather than Bittorrents
  • Rollovers: First call a POTS line, then call a VoIP line with a different provider
  • MWI: Message waiting light when you have voicemail