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== Arbitrary Comments == | == Arbitrary Comments == | ||
− | * What can we do with Teksavvy | + | * What can we do with Teksavvy? |
* Vonage vs ITSP? (Unlimitel, VoIP.ms) vs ISP (Teksavvy, Rogers) vs MagicJack | * Vonage vs ITSP? (Unlimitel, VoIP.ms) vs ISP (Teksavvy, Rogers) vs MagicJack | ||
* MagicJack is an ATA? You need internet | * MagicJack is an ATA? You need internet | ||
− | * You can get a USB dongle as well (don't work under Linux) | + | ** You can get a USB dongle as well (don't work under Linux) |
− | * It is reliable enough for faxing | + | ** It is reliable enough for faxing |
− | * $10 extra per year for a Canadian number | + | ** $10 extra per year for a Canadian number |
− | * $50/year + tax ($70 for the device) | + | ** $50/year + tax ($70 for the device) |
− | * Berleine spends $32/year for a US number and service | + | ** Berleine spends $32/year for a US number and service |
− | * Unlimited minutes | + | ** Unlimited minutes |
− | * Call quality can suffer if the internet is busy | + | ** Call quality can suffer if the internet is busy |
+ | |||
* Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space | * Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space | ||
+ | |||
* VoiP.ms and Unlimitel | * VoiP.ms and Unlimitel | ||
− | * $1/month for the DID, $1.50 for Emergency 911 | + | ** $1/month for the DID, $1.50 for Emergency 911 |
− | * Unlimited minutes | + | ** Unlimited minutes |
+ | |||
* Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space | * Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space | ||
+ | |||
* VoIP.ms: $1 + $1.50 for Emergency 911 + 1c/minute per calls | * VoIP.ms: $1 + $1.50 for Emergency 911 + 1c/minute per calls | ||
− | * You can buy a home package for $3.50 per month | + | ** You can buy a home package for $3.50 per month |
− | * You can have subaccounts | + | ** You can have subaccounts |
− | * You can have many calls running simultaneously | + | ** You can have many calls running simultaneously |
+ | |||
* Fongo | * Fongo | ||
− | * Free phone number, free calls, free voicemail, pay to send texts | + | ** Free phone number, free calls, free voicemail, pay to send texts |
− | * Freephoneline.ca is the same but for desktops | + | ** Freephoneline.ca is the same but for desktops |
− | * How far can you get on a wifi phone? | + | ** How far can you get on a wifi phone? |
− | * Sometimes quality is an issue | + | ** Sometimes quality is an issue |
+ | |||
* SIP phones | * SIP phones | ||
+ | |||
* TWC | * TWC | ||
− | * One PSTN line + voip lines + Norstar systems | + | ** One PSTN line + voip lines + Norstar systems |
− | * Use an ATA to convert VoIP.ms to analogue | + | ** Use an ATA to convert VoIP.ms to analogue |
− | * This does not work perfectly all the time (eg long tones) | + | ** This does not work perfectly all the time (eg long tones) |
+ | |||
* Brendan has tried to switch to all VoIP | * Brendan has tried to switch to all VoIP | ||
− | * How do you trunk calls between buildings that use different systems? | + | ** How do you trunk calls between buildings that use different systems? |
− | * Idea: just map lines to phones so you can use Norstar handsets | + | ** Idea: just map lines to phones so you can use Norstar handsets |
* How can you receive calls in multiple locations? | * How can you receive calls in multiple locations? | ||
− | ** Voip.ms makes this easy | + | *** Voip.ms makes this easy |
− | ** You can use follow-me settings in Asterisk | + | *** You can use follow-me settings in Asterisk |
+ | |||
* Faxing and virtual faxing | * Faxing and virtual faxing | ||
− | * Doesn't work so well on VoIP | + | ** Doesn't work so well on VoIP |
− | * VoIP wants to break up packets, but faxes want a continuous | + | ** VoIP wants to break up packets, but faxes want a continuous |
+ | |||
* Cheapest SIP phone: Grandstream GXP1400 (similar: GXP1405) | * Cheapest SIP phone: Grandstream GXP1400 (similar: GXP1405) | ||
+ | |||
* Why VoIP? | * Why VoIP? | ||
− | * Cost: $40 for a PSTN line. VoIP can be cheaper | + | ** Cost: $40 for a PSTN line. VoIP can be cheaper |
− | * Can use the same phone number for many calls | + | ** Can use the same phone number for many calls |
− | * We trust everything that goes over the internet | + | ** We trust everything that goes over the internet |
− | * Very configurable for free | + | ** Very configurable for free |
+ | |||
* Why not VoIP? | * Why not VoIP? | ||
− | * Depends on power to work. Don't have blackouts! | + | ** Depends on power to work. Don't have blackouts! |
− | * Can't run faxing (reliably), DSL modems | + | ** Can't run faxing (reliably), DSL modems |
− | * Can't use analog modems | + | ** Can't use analog modems |
− | * Can be reliability problems | + | ** Can be reliability problems |
− | * Security concerns | + | ** Security concerns |
− | * Should have quality of service to ensure good performance | + | ** Should have quality of service to ensure good performance |
− | * Need upload bandwidth (16k-64kbps up per call depending on codec) | + | ** Need upload bandwidth (16k-64kbps up per call depending on codec) |
− | * Rollovers can be an issue between POTS and VoIP, depending on provider | + | ** Rollovers can be an issue between POTS and VoIP, depending on provider |
− | * Costs more in terms of IT time | + | ** Costs more in terms of IT time |
+ | |||
* You can do voip via internet addresses | * You can do voip via internet addresses | ||
+ | |||
* Older ADSL lines provide 700kbps up | * Older ADSL lines provide 700kbps up | ||
+ | |||
* Bell VDSL is broken? Fibernetics does it right? | * Bell VDSL is broken? Fibernetics does it right? | ||
+ | |||
* Execulink is a provider that does PSTN rollovers right | * Execulink is a provider that does PSTN rollovers right | ||
* Can you do anything more with commercial VoIP than with regular Bell? | * Can you do anything more with commercial VoIP than with regular Bell? | ||
− | * Maybe. It depends on what the provider provides. | + | ** Maybe. It depends on what the provider provides. |
+ | |||
* Hiding callerID : easy | * Hiding callerID : easy | ||
+ | |||
* Is this obsolete because of cellphones? | * Is this obsolete because of cellphones? | ||
− | * The numbers are different | + | ** The numbers are different |
− | * Not as configurable | + | ** Not as configurable |
− | * But your cellphone works in a blackout (modulo batteries) | + | ** But your cellphone works in a blackout (modulo batteries) |
+ | |||
* You can't run your own cellphone service (in Canada) | * You can't run your own cellphone service (in Canada) | ||
− | * Compare to radio, community cable | + | ** Compare to radio, community cable |
+ | |||
* SIP clients for cellphones? | * SIP clients for cellphones? | ||
− | * SIPSimple? | + | ** SIPSimple? |
− | * You can register to a local asterisk account | + | ** You can register to a local asterisk account |
− | * Ring groups on VoIP.ms | + | ** Ring groups on VoIP.ms |
− | * How can you make phones ring in certain locations only? | + | ** How can you make phones ring in certain locations only? |
− | ** Put a sip client on their phones | + | *** Put a sip client on their phones |
− | ** Put Asterisk | + | *** Put Asterisk |
+ | |||
* What Asterisk systems can be configured by Thursday? | * What Asterisk systems can be configured by Thursday? | ||
− | * PBX in a Flash | + | ** PBX in a Flash |
− | * Elastix | + | ** Elastix |
− | * Cheap analog phones? | + | |
− | * | + | * Cheap analog phones?* |
== Acronym Fun == | == Acronym Fun == |
Revision as of 22:32, 17 August 2015
All About VoIP
Discussion Questions
- What are you using?
- What do you like about VoIP? What do you not like?
- What providers do you use?
- What works better with PSTN? With VoIP?
- What are the pros and cons?
Arbitrary Comments
- What can we do with Teksavvy?
- Vonage vs ITSP? (Unlimitel, VoIP.ms) vs ISP (Teksavvy, Rogers) vs MagicJack
- MagicJack is an ATA? You need internet
- You can get a USB dongle as well (don't work under Linux)
- It is reliable enough for faxing
- $10 extra per year for a Canadian number
- $50/year + tax ($70 for the device)
- Berleine spends $32/year for a US number and service
- Unlimited minutes
- Call quality can suffer if the internet is busy
- Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space
- VoiP.ms and Unlimitel
- $1/month for the DID, $1.50 for Emergency 911
- Unlimited minutes
- Magicjack and Vonage are in the same space
- VoIP.ms: $1 + $1.50 for Emergency 911 + 1c/minute per calls
- You can buy a home package for $3.50 per month
- You can have subaccounts
- You can have many calls running simultaneously
- Fongo
- Free phone number, free calls, free voicemail, pay to send texts
- Freephoneline.ca is the same but for desktops
- How far can you get on a wifi phone?
- Sometimes quality is an issue
- SIP phones
- TWC
- One PSTN line + voip lines + Norstar systems
- Use an ATA to convert VoIP.ms to analogue
- This does not work perfectly all the time (eg long tones)
- Brendan has tried to switch to all VoIP
- How do you trunk calls between buildings that use different systems?
- Idea: just map lines to phones so you can use Norstar handsets
- How can you receive calls in multiple locations?
- Voip.ms makes this easy
- You can use follow-me settings in Asterisk
- Faxing and virtual faxing
- Doesn't work so well on VoIP
- VoIP wants to break up packets, but faxes want a continuous
- Cheapest SIP phone: Grandstream GXP1400 (similar: GXP1405)
- Why VoIP?
- Cost: $40 for a PSTN line. VoIP can be cheaper
- Can use the same phone number for many calls
- We trust everything that goes over the internet
- Very configurable for free
- Why not VoIP?
- Depends on power to work. Don't have blackouts!
- Can't run faxing (reliably), DSL modems
- Can't use analog modems
- Can be reliability problems
- Security concerns
- Should have quality of service to ensure good performance
- Need upload bandwidth (16k-64kbps up per call depending on codec)
- Rollovers can be an issue between POTS and VoIP, depending on provider
- Costs more in terms of IT time
- You can do voip via internet addresses
- Older ADSL lines provide 700kbps up
- Bell VDSL is broken? Fibernetics does it right?
- Execulink is a provider that does PSTN rollovers right
- Can you do anything more with commercial VoIP than with regular Bell?
- Maybe. It depends on what the provider provides.
- Hiding callerID : easy
- Is this obsolete because of cellphones?
- The numbers are different
- Not as configurable
- But your cellphone works in a blackout (modulo batteries)
- You can't run your own cellphone service (in Canada)
- Compare to radio, community cable
- SIP clients for cellphones?
- SIPSimple?
- You can register to a local asterisk account
- Ring groups on VoIP.ms
- How can you make phones ring in certain locations only?
- Put a sip client on their phones
- Put Asterisk
- What Asterisk systems can be configured by Thursday?
- PBX in a Flash
- Elastix
- Cheap analog phones?*
Acronym Fun
- ATA : Turns VoIP into PSTN lines.
- VoIP : Voice over internet. The trendy thing.
- PSTN/POTS : "Real" phone line
- SIP : VoIP protocol. There are others (eg IAX)
- FXO : Port that is on the phone. In asterisk, you use a port of this type when you want to integrate a PSTN line.
- FXS : Provides a dialtone. This can be from the wall, or the ports on an ATA
- DID : A phone number
- VoIP registration: What phone will ring when you make a call to the number?
- Hunt groups: Choose which order phones will ring
- QoS: Quality of service: prefer sending packets to phones rather than Bittorrents
- Rollovers: First call a POTS line, then call a VoIP line with a different provider
- MWI: Message waiting light when you have voicemail