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| + | ==== Video ==== | ||
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| + | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5o6Cc7Kja8 Offsite Internet servers hosting - YouTube] (courtesy of [https://www.meetup.com/NetSquared-Kitchener-Waterloo/members/16643951/ Gheorghe Curelet]) | ||
| − | + | ==== Meeting Notes ==== | |
| − | * | + | * Today's guest is Mark Steffen from [https://www.indieservenetworks.com/ indieServe Networks] |
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| − | * What kinds of servers for a host? | + | ===== Selecting a hosting provider ===== |
| − | + | * There's no "One size fits all" | |
| − | + | * What do you need? | |
| − | ** Lenovo, but there was BIOS based malware | + | ** Disaster recovery? |
| − | + | ** Microsoft licensing? | |
| + | ** E-mail hosting? | ||
| + | |||
| + | ===== What kinds of servers for a host? ===== | ||
| + | * Dell servers at one place | ||
| + | * Had HPs, didn't mind them | ||
| + | ** indieServe has some HP servers for colocation | ||
| + | * Lenovo, but there was BIOS based malware | ||
| + | ** Liked IBM servers, anecdotally liked the reliability | ||
** indieServe has all Lenovo servers | ** indieServe has all Lenovo servers | ||
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| + | ===== Offsite Hosting Problems? ===== | ||
| + | * Shared hosting was OK for a while, but host was asking for more money | ||
| + | * Another company seemed perfect shared hosting (using WordPress), | ||
| + | ** Works today, but lots of complaints on Facebook, so he no longer trusts | ||
| + | * Backups? | ||
| + | ** Yes, keeping your own backups in addition to using the hosts' backups | ||
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| + | ===== [https://www.indieservenetworks.com/ indieServe Networks] ===== | ||
* indieServe is hosting for KWLUG, KWVoIP, FairvoteWRC, KWPeace, &c. | * indieServe is hosting for KWLUG, KWVoIP, FairvoteWRC, KWPeace, &c. | ||
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* About $10/month for shared host | * About $10/month for shared host | ||
| − | * No limits but on the honour system | + | ** No limits but on the honour system |
** Keep it to one company per shared host | ** Keep it to one company per shared host | ||
| − | * Local non-profits may be able to get '''really''' good deal -- talk to Mark Steffen | + | ** Local non-profits may be able to get '''really''' good deal -- talk to [mailto:info@indieserve.com Mark Steffen] |
* Also has VPS (Virtual Private Servers) | * Also has VPS (Virtual Private Servers) | ||
* Can do hosted Windows servers or domain | * Can do hosted Windows servers or domain | ||
** Good for small file sharing systems | ** Good for small file sharing systems | ||
** Microsoft has a specific licensing arrangement for hosting providers | ** Microsoft has a specific licensing arrangement for hosting providers | ||
| − | + | ** Cost based on cores and sockets, plus number of customers | |
| − | + | ** Not cheap, $100's /month | |
| − | + | ** Similar model to Azure or Amazon AWS | |
| + | |||
| + | ===== Offsite Backups ===== | ||
* Some customers use offsite hosting only for data replication (disaster recovery) | * Some customers use offsite hosting only for data replication (disaster recovery) | ||
** Do keep offsite backups encrypted | ** Do keep offsite backups encrypted | ||
| − | * Cheap backup? | + | ** For any backup solution check with Legal for PIPEDA legislation |
| − | ** | + | ** Cheap backup? 20¢/GiByte for storage is typical |
| + | * Backup software: | ||
| + | ** Duplicity for Linux | ||
| + | ** Cloud Berry for backup service | ||
** DupliCaddy for Windows (Open Source, Beta software,supports SQL, kinda slow) | ** DupliCaddy for Windows (Open Source, Beta software,supports SQL, kinda slow) | ||
| − | ** | + | *** For Windows, do full backup, then everything is incremental afterwards |
| − | ** Back Blaze (personal backup for $5/month, also B2 backup storage, . | + | *** But it keeps a synthetic "Full" in the background |
| + | ** With S3 or Azure, you can restore to EC2 -- get (almost) instant restore on external VPS -- really cheap disaster recovery | ||
| + | ** Back Blaze (personal backup for $5/month, also B2 backup storage, .02¢/Gibyte?, $10/month for 1 TByte?) | ||
| + | |||
| + | * indieServe keeps hard backups (USB drives stored offsite) | ||
| + | |||
| + | ===== Backup horror stories ===== | ||
| + | * Hijacked truck (backups not encrypted, nobody knows who now has access to backup data) | ||
| + | * Encrypted backups corrupted (physical disk damage corrupted one block of data, cypher block chaining made rest of backup inaccesible) | ||
| + | * Bulk files corrupted (backup file is OK, but contained invalid data, making rest of the backup invalid) | ||
| + | * Tape backup is still the most dense storage for immutable backups | ||
| + | * Mark Steffen has techniques for redundant backup storage (good for ransomware attacks, &c.) | ||
| + | * How much backup do you need? | ||
| + | ** How much data can you afford to lose? | ||
| + | ** Have at least one automated backup in place | ||
| + | |||
| + | ===== Selfhosting? ===== | ||
| + | * Run your own service on a VPS or shared host (XMPP, Wiki, Social media) instead of using Facebook, Google, Twitter) | ||
| + | * Manage your own server, colocated in a datacentre | ||
| + | * Getting a DSL line (with multi-link support), and running a server on premises | ||
| + | * Managed hosting - servers in house or colo, but contract out the SysAdmin | ||
| + | |||
| + | ===== Webhosting Management ===== | ||
| + | ====== cPanel ====== | ||
| + | * Set up WordPress, &c. | ||
| + | * Handles updates, patch management, backups, email | ||
| + | * Installatron for managing applications | ||
| + | * Varnish is a cache in front of Apache, for bursty traffic | ||
| + | * cPanel is pricey? $20/month for bare metal, less for a VPS | ||
| + | ** Keeping cPanel on a VPS makes it portable, allows cPanel admin to perform maintenance with no downtime | ||
| + | |||
| + | ====== Zenserver ====== | ||
| + | * A Virtual Machine host | ||
| + | * The free version is pretty unrestricted | ||
| + | * Use Zenserver to run cPanel | ||
| + | |||
| + | ====== Cloud Linux ====== | ||
| + | * uses CageFS, | ||
| + | * isolates users from each other | ||
| + | |||
| + | ====== Other panels? ====== | ||
| + | * CentOS Web Panel | ||
| + | * ISP Config | ||
| + | * Ubuntu MAAS | ||
| + | * WebMin, VirtualMin | ||
| + | * WHM is the management tool for cPanel | ||
| + | * WHMCS is a shopping cart / billing system for hosting | ||
| + | ** But these apps may have security issues (PHP doncha know) | ||
| + | |||
| + | ===== Reseller hosting ===== | ||
| + | * Perhaps for Web developers, who want to manage resources for their customers | ||
| + | * Can add multiple accounts, lets hosting provider manage growth and resources | ||
| + | * Could be unlimited accounts, but typically 300 GBytes, good for about 50 accounts | ||
| + | |||
| − | + | [[Category:NPSA]] | |
| + | [[Category:KWNPSA Meeting Notes]] | ||
Latest revision as of 03:47, 3 December 2017
Contents
Offsite Hosting
- Date
- Monday, 8 May 2017
- Event Announcement
- https://www.meetup.com/NetSquared-Kitchener-Waterloo/events/237779027/
- Location
- Communitech Jelly Bean Room 1st Floor, 151 Charles Street West, Kitchener, Ontario Map
Where are your servers? Are you self-hosting? Have you thought about professional hosting? What services does a professional hosting service offer? Do you need shared hosting? Do you need a VPS? What's a VPS? What's a colocation site? How much will all this cost?
Come share your experiences with self-hosting, shared hosting, and VPSes. Bob and Marc have the questions, and special guest Mark Steffen from indieServe Networks will have the answers.
See you at the meeting!
--Bob Jonkman and Marc Paré
Video
Offsite Internet servers hosting - YouTube (courtesy of Gheorghe Curelet)
Meeting Notes
- Today's guest is Mark Steffen from indieServe Networks
Selecting a hosting provider
- There's no "One size fits all"
- What do you need?
- Disaster recovery?
- Microsoft licensing?
- E-mail hosting?
What kinds of servers for a host?
- Dell servers at one place
- Had HPs, didn't mind them
- indieServe has some HP servers for colocation
- Lenovo, but there was BIOS based malware
- Liked IBM servers, anecdotally liked the reliability
- indieServe has all Lenovo servers
Offsite Hosting Problems?
- Shared hosting was OK for a while, but host was asking for more money
- Another company seemed perfect shared hosting (using WordPress),
- Works today, but lots of complaints on Facebook, so he no longer trusts
- Backups?
- Yes, keeping your own backups in addition to using the hosts' backups
indieServe Networks
- indieServe is hosting for KWLUG, KWVoIP, FairvoteWRC, KWPeace, &c.
- About $10/month for shared host
- No limits but on the honour system
- Keep it to one company per shared host
- Local non-profits may be able to get really good deal -- talk to Mark Steffen
- Also has VPS (Virtual Private Servers)
- Can do hosted Windows servers or domain
- Good for small file sharing systems
- Microsoft has a specific licensing arrangement for hosting providers
- Cost based on cores and sockets, plus number of customers
- Not cheap, $100's /month
- Similar model to Azure or Amazon AWS
Offsite Backups
- Some customers use offsite hosting only for data replication (disaster recovery)
- Do keep offsite backups encrypted
- For any backup solution check with Legal for PIPEDA legislation
- Cheap backup? 20¢/GiByte for storage is typical
- Backup software:
- Duplicity for Linux
- Cloud Berry for backup service
- DupliCaddy for Windows (Open Source, Beta software,supports SQL, kinda slow)
- For Windows, do full backup, then everything is incremental afterwards
- But it keeps a synthetic "Full" in the background
- With S3 or Azure, you can restore to EC2 -- get (almost) instant restore on external VPS -- really cheap disaster recovery
- Back Blaze (personal backup for $5/month, also B2 backup storage, .02¢/Gibyte?, $10/month for 1 TByte?)
- indieServe keeps hard backups (USB drives stored offsite)
Backup horror stories
- Hijacked truck (backups not encrypted, nobody knows who now has access to backup data)
- Encrypted backups corrupted (physical disk damage corrupted one block of data, cypher block chaining made rest of backup inaccesible)
- Bulk files corrupted (backup file is OK, but contained invalid data, making rest of the backup invalid)
- Tape backup is still the most dense storage for immutable backups
- Mark Steffen has techniques for redundant backup storage (good for ransomware attacks, &c.)
- How much backup do you need?
- How much data can you afford to lose?
- Have at least one automated backup in place
Selfhosting?
- Run your own service on a VPS or shared host (XMPP, Wiki, Social media) instead of using Facebook, Google, Twitter)
- Manage your own server, colocated in a datacentre
- Getting a DSL line (with multi-link support), and running a server on premises
- Managed hosting - servers in house or colo, but contract out the SysAdmin
Webhosting Management
cPanel
- Set up WordPress, &c.
- Handles updates, patch management, backups, email
- Installatron for managing applications
- Varnish is a cache in front of Apache, for bursty traffic
- cPanel is pricey? $20/month for bare metal, less for a VPS
- Keeping cPanel on a VPS makes it portable, allows cPanel admin to perform maintenance with no downtime
Zenserver
- A Virtual Machine host
- The free version is pretty unrestricted
- Use Zenserver to run cPanel
Cloud Linux
- uses CageFS,
- isolates users from each other
Other panels?
- CentOS Web Panel
- ISP Config
- Ubuntu MAAS
- WebMin, VirtualMin
- WHM is the management tool for cPanel
- WHMCS is a shopping cart / billing system for hosting
- But these apps may have security issues (PHP doncha know)
Reseller hosting
- Perhaps for Web developers, who want to manage resources for their customers
- Can add multiple accounts, lets hosting provider manage growth and resources
- Could be unlimited accounts, but typically 300 GBytes, good for about 50 accounts
